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	<title>Comments on: Pan&#8217;s Labyrinth (潘神的迷宫)</title>
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	<description>machine translation, semantic analysis and life in China</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leanne</title>
		<link>http://adsotrans.com/blog/pans-labyrinth/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I'm up to this page. Is it possible to add 'page...'? Easier to search. 
:P bad question. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m up to this page. Is it possible to add &#8216;page&#8230;&#8217;? Easier to search.<br />
 <img src='http://adsotrans.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> bad question. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
		<link>http://adsotrans.com/blog/pans-labyrinth/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see why there anyone would have a problem with my posting cultural crit from Shanghai. I probably self-censor on the Taiwan issue, but it isn't exactly hard to figure out my sympathies.

Will post more cultural crit, but probably not much on contemporary Chinese fiction or film if only because it seems to be a big wasteland. It's embarassing that Zhang Yimou's "Curse of the Golden Flower" is considered good filmmaking here, and whenever I stumble across a good book the odds are heavily on it being from a Taiwanese writer. Maybe this is changing now and I'm just behind the curve on exposure to new literature.

Eric Abrahamsen and a few others are running this site, although their focus is more on translating than on explaining why the books in question are worth reading:

http://www.paperrepublic.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why there anyone would have a problem with my posting cultural crit from Shanghai. I probably self-censor on the Taiwan issue, but it isn&#8217;t exactly hard to figure out my sympathies.</p>
<p>Will post more cultural crit, but probably not much on contemporary Chinese fiction or film if only because it seems to be a big wasteland. It&#8217;s embarassing that Zhang Yimou&#8217;s &#8220;Curse of the Golden Flower&#8221; is considered good filmmaking here, and whenever I stumble across a good book the odds are heavily on it being from a Taiwanese writer. Maybe this is changing now and I&#8217;m just behind the curve on exposure to new literature.</p>
<p>Eric Abrahamsen and a few others are running this site, although their focus is more on translating than on explaining why the books in question are worth reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.paperrepublic.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.paperrepublic.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://adsotrans.com/blog/pans-labyrinth/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the destruction wrought by men as an incursion into the relative calm of the plains, hence idyllic. As for the rest of the film, I guess the crux lies in what you make of Anton; if he's just a foil to Llewelyn's hunter, then yeah, the film does run light. 

Regarding recreational culture crit, I like keeping that part of my brain engaged  (there's only so much code can do ;). Can you post culture crit in Shanghai? Or is that unwise? You seem more than up to the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the destruction wrought by men as an incursion into the relative calm of the plains, hence idyllic. As for the rest of the film, I guess the crux lies in what you make of Anton; if he&#8217;s just a foil to Llewelyn&#8217;s hunter, then yeah, the film does run light. </p>
<p>Regarding recreational culture crit, I like keeping that part of my brain engaged  (there&#8217;s only so much code can do ;). Can you post culture crit in Shanghai? Or is that unwise? You seem more than up to the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: trevelyan</title>
		<link>http://adsotrans.com/blog/pans-labyrinth/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>trevelyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does NCFOM romanticize "idyllic life in unspoiled nature"? The opening landscape is a bleak autumnal brown (not pastoral green) and the opening metaphor is of the hunter and his prey.

Llewelyn had a private ethical imperative to kill his wounded stag. Perhaps we are meant to compare his behavior to Anton's, but if so the emphasis would seem to be on their similarity rather than difference. The city doesn't encroach on the country; they are both impersonal landscapes for tracking, hunting and killing. The positions and species of the hunter/hunted may change, but the camera and story stays focused on the hunt (blood trails, etc.).

You're right about the zombification principle, although I won't hold it against a good story. And it may be that the point of the film is simply that "in a dog-eat-dog world, no act of kindness goes unpunished". Which is fair enough, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful statement, or was really the reason the Coen brothers wanted to make that movie.

Enjoyed your post, by the way. Made me think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does NCFOM romanticize &#8220;idyllic life in unspoiled nature&#8221;? The opening landscape is a bleak autumnal brown (not pastoral green) and the opening metaphor is of the hunter and his prey.</p>
<p>Llewelyn had a private ethical imperative to kill his wounded stag. Perhaps we are meant to compare his behavior to Anton&#8217;s, but if so the emphasis would seem to be on their similarity rather than difference. The city doesn&#8217;t encroach on the country; they are both impersonal landscapes for tracking, hunting and killing. The positions and species of the hunter/hunted may change, but the camera and story stays focused on the hunt (blood trails, etc.).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the zombification principle, although I won&#8217;t hold it against a good story. And it may be that the point of the film is simply that &#8220;in a dog-eat-dog world, no act of kindness goes unpunished&#8221;. Which is fair enough, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a particularly insightful statement, or was really the reason the Coen brothers wanted to make that movie.</p>
<p>Enjoyed your post, by the way. Made me think.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://adsotrans.com/blog/pans-labyrinth/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Country For Old Men suffers from the zombie film affliction; the characters fall into tragedy by making clearly suboptimal choices ("Hey that looks dangerous; let's go there!", "Ok, you go that way; I'll go this way and we'll meet real soon"). Compare NCFOM's zombification to Atonement's spiteful malice, and I find the latter more believable (just make sure you leave when you see the girl floating, you'll only lose 5 minutes of statistically "improved" film). Granted, Atonement doesn't probe much, it's just about the wanton wealthy living in an easily upset world. 

NCFOM on the other hand asks better questions. Extremely biased against modernity, the film begins with an idyllic life in unspoiled nature and goes downhill in cities' artificial temporary homes. The modern Organized Man is not inconsistent Llewelyn, at points quite crafty, at other points mindbogglingly dumb; rather he is the plodding nemesis Anton who uses an automated slaughter tool. 

So if modern man is evil; what makes him evil? Do his methods corrupt him? Anton's task list must be completed and anything that prevents that is eliminated. Society? The only extra-family cooperation we see is between drug gangs and financiers. Or are we all evil despoilers of nature, chasing after bits of paper and poppies, and it's high satire to call Anton evil....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Country For Old Men suffers from the zombie film affliction; the characters fall into tragedy by making clearly suboptimal choices (&#8221;Hey that looks dangerous; let&#8217;s go there!&#8221;, &#8220;Ok, you go that way; I&#8217;ll go this way and we&#8217;ll meet real soon&#8221;). Compare NCFOM&#8217;s zombification to Atonement&#8217;s spiteful malice, and I find the latter more believable (just make sure you leave when you see the girl floating, you&#8217;ll only lose 5 minutes of statistically &#8220;improved&#8221; film). Granted, Atonement doesn&#8217;t probe much, it&#8217;s just about the wanton wealthy living in an easily upset world. </p>
<p>NCFOM on the other hand asks better questions. Extremely biased against modernity, the film begins with an idyllic life in unspoiled nature and goes downhill in cities&#8217; artificial temporary homes. The modern Organized Man is not inconsistent Llewelyn, at points quite crafty, at other points mindbogglingly dumb; rather he is the plodding nemesis Anton who uses an automated slaughter tool. </p>
<p>So if modern man is evil; what makes him evil? Do his methods corrupt him? Anton&#8217;s task list must be completed and anything that prevents that is eliminated. Society? The only extra-family cooperation we see is between drug gangs and financiers. Or are we all evil despoilers of nature, chasing after bits of paper and poppies, and it&#8217;s high satire to call Anton evil&#8230;.</p>
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